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Post Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:23 pm

Women's Health & Mississippi's 'Personhood' Amendment

Mississippi voting on 'personhood' amendment
By Mallory Simon, CNN
updated 3:08 PM EST, Tue November 8, 2011

Mississippi voters are casting ballots Tuesday on an amendment to the state constitution that would define life as beginning at the moment of conception.

Initiative 26 would define personhood as "every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof."

Though the text of the amendment is simple, the implications if it passes couldn't be more complex. If approved by voters, it would make it impossible to get an abortion in the state and hamper the ability to get some forms of birth control.

Because the amendment would define a fertilized egg as a person with full legal rights, it could have an impact on a woman's ability to get the morning-after pill or birth control pills that destroy fertilized eggs.

It could make in vitro fertilization treatments more difficult because it could become illegal to dispose of unused fertilized eggs. This could lead to a nationwide debate about women's rights and abortion while setting up a possible challenge to the landmark Roe v. Wade case, which makes abortion legal.

The ballot initiative is part of a national campaign brought by Personhood USA. The Colorado-based group describes itself as a nonprofit Christian ministry that "serves the pro-life community by assisting local groups to initiate citizen, legislative, and political action focusing on the ultimate goal of the pro-life movement: personhood rights for all innocent humans."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/08/us/mississippi-personhood-amendment/?hpt=hp_c1


Wanted to share this article, because it will be an important issue for women during collapse. As governments become more and more extreme, as health care choices will be taken from us and we are left to our own devices, what will we do? As a feminist I am afraid that if this passes in Mississippi, it might set us up for a national ban on abortion, and could take us back to the era of home remedies; think coat hangers or overdosing on certain pills -- now regardless of where you personally stand, this is not just about abortion...but about a women's right to control her own body and her own health.

I myself cannot have children due to medical reasons (and actually am glad for that considering the state of our world right now in collapse), but those of you who can, or are planning to have a family during collapse, will face restrictions from the government and from others on what you can and cannot do when it comes to health decisions.

I would like to see this become a discussion on how we can maintain control over our own health, not a debate over pro-life or pro-choice, so please keep to this simple guideline. Thanks. :)
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:03 pm

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The amendment was turned down today, but I still want to know people's thoughts on the matter. :)
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:33 pm

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My personal opinion: I don't even understand how this could be questionned. Mericans sure can be morons. Mind you, some Nadians ain't much smarter.

However: If you don't want the baby, don't fuck around! We now have the options to avoid unwanted pregnancies, let's use them!

In other situations (rape or whatever): abortions should be available on demand.
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:41 pm

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Earth_Girl wrote:...
I would like to see this become a discussion on how we can maintain control over our own health, not a debate over pro-life or pro-choice, so please keep to this simple guideline. Thanks. :)


Do you want a discussion on health as relating to sexual / reproductive health for women, or just health for women in general? I am not quite sure how to approach the discussion, but would like to contribute some ideas once I am clearer on what focus to take. Otherwise, the first thing that comes to my mind is to help men make the choice to get a vasectomy while they still can.

Earth_Girl wrote:The amendment was turned down today, but I still want to know people's thoughts on the matter. :)


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Post Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:58 pm

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Kitty wrote:My personal opinion: I don't even understand how this could be questionned. Mericans sure can be morons. Mind you, some Nadians ain't much smarter.

However: If you don't want the baby, don't fuck around! We now have the options to avoid unwanted pregnancies, let's use them!

In other situations (rape or whatever): abortions should be available on demand.


I agree on both counts Kitty -- women shouldn't be forced to carry a child to term if it was against their will (i.e. rape or incest)

And people really should be able to avoid pregnancies, but then we're not the smartest creatures on the planet. Also, no form of birth control is perfect... :?

allissun wrote:
Earth_Girl wrote:...
I would like to see this become a discussion on how we can maintain control over our own health, not a debate over pro-life or pro-choice, so please keep to this simple guideline. Thanks. :)


Do you want a discussion on health as relating to sexual / reproductive health for women, or just health for women in general? I am not quite sure how to approach the discussion, but would like to contribute some ideas once I am clearer on what focus to take. Otherwise, the first thing that comes to my mind is to help men make the choice to get a vasectomy while they still can.


Either or...but I think for this discussion we should stick to sexual / reproductive health...general health for women in collapse might warrant it's own topic.
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:00 pm

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No birth control after collapse!!! Do we abstain??
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:02 pm

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Kitty wrote:No birth control after collapse!!! Do we abstain??


Unless you want to stockpile condoms... :lol:

I'm sure there would be some herbal remedies...might be mistaken, but wasn't there something women would drink in older times which would end the pregnancy in the first trimester?
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:18 pm

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Earth Girl: You have a friend here: I'm as gay as they come. Wouldn't know what to do with a man. Mind you, I love them to death...they are strong, nice, can do all sorts of help with animals, cutting down trees, killing mzbs....but babies, forget it!!

All: Should this be in secret life??
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:26 pm

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Kitty wrote:Earth Girl: You have a friend here: I'm as gay as they come. Wouldn't know what to do with a man. Mind you, I love them to death...they are strong, nice, can do all sorts of help with animals, cutting down trees, killing mzbs....but babies, forget it!!


Yay! I'm not alone. :lol: :D ;)

As I said in the OP, can't have kids of my own, but will fight for others to make their own choices with regard to reproductive health, gay or straight.
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:28 pm

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One is NEVA alone!
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