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Post Fri May 27, 2011 7:38 pm

Re: USA: Overview of the Future.

OldHorseman wrote:- Besides... Do we REALLY want to bring all these boys home to live among us at once?
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I'd rather have my friends in the military at my side. They know how to handle weapons, they're accustomed to the barter lifestyle, they've had more than enough government involvement in their lives to realize it is not their friend, and they have picked up SOME useful skill along the way (be it fixing cars, electrical equipment, military strategy, or something else) that can be useful within the homestead group level. At the very least, they're physically strong enough to be a good field worker, builder, etc.

Compared to the suburban xbox zombie crowd of equivalents... they start to look pretty attractive.

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Post Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:53 pm

Re: USA: Overview of the Future.

Digging up some oldie, but maybe goodie . . .

OldHorseman wrote:
- Basically, the driving socio-economic paradigm in America is growth-dependent. Growth requires an expanding supply of resources (especially fossil fuels), which no longer exists. Right now almost everyone is still operating under the delusion that real growth will resume shortly. It's kind of like a cartoon character running off a cliff and standing in mid-air until he realizes that there's no ground under him...


That is what I see as a common Doomer claim, as well.

- The only viable option going forward is to shift to a contraction-based paradigm... Which America can do thanks to its often-criticized inefficiency. It is actually possible to keep the current population living with modern comforts at about 1/4 the resource cost if you trim away the upkeep for the facades, makework, and other things people will probably barely miss.

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That is pretty much what I am seeing, as well.

Once you can adapt to and adopt contraction-based math and planning, it works as well as endless expansion math.

But that non-crash outcome is counter-doomer, is it not?
"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." attributed to Henry Ford.
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Post Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:33 am

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Phildo wrote:But that non-crash outcome is counter-doomer, is it not?


- Not really. The current paradigm is totally doomed. The trappings of modern life that most Americans have been conditioned to believe are "essential" (cars to commute to jobs, suburban homes, etc.) are going away. That doesn't mean everyone is going straight back to the Paleolithic... But the changes are going to be hard for some people to swallow.

- Look around now...

- On the one hand, you have the Tea Party protests. Basically people who have picked-up on the way Government is taking everything over. They don't realize that this is a desperate attempt to prop-up the facade of resource-depleted Cornucopia with the efficiency of fascism. They just feel the net of Government control tightening on them.

- On the other hand, you have the Occupy protests. People who have are reacting to the economic decline by blaming the bankers and corporate execs. They don't realize that the problem isn't that the fat-cats are greedy... They've always been that way. It's that the flow of Cornucopian riches has diminished to the point that the fat-cats can actually almost ALL of it up, whereas there used to be plenty left after they'd had their fill. All the Occupy hipsters know is that the easy college money, prospects for easy jobs with lots of benefits, and all the other goodies that they grew-up taking for granted are evaporating, and somebody has to be to blame.

- When I first heard the report about that hair salon mass shooting (before any detail beyond a guestimated body count were being reported), I kind of assumed the Tea Party and Occupy folks had finally crossed paths. Even if it doesn't come to anything like that, while they're Internet flaming and conter-protesting one-another, the inevitable contraction is going to happen all the same. Thermodynamics and geology just don't give a fuck about politics.

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Post Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:47 pm

Re: USA: Overview of the Future.

OldHorseman wrote:- Not really. The current paradigm is totally doomed. The trappings of modern life that most Americans have been conditioned to believe are "essential" (cars to commute to jobs, suburban homes, etc.) are going away. That doesn't mean everyone is going straight back to the Paleolithic... But the changes are going to be hard for some people to swallow.


Agreed as far as yesterday is most always gone.

And tomorrow can be scary.

But that is every time in every era.

- Look around now...

- On the one hand, you have the Tea Party protests. Basically people who have picked-up on the way Government is taking everything over. They don't realize that this is a desperate attempt to prop-up the facade of resource-depleted Cornucopia with the efficiency of fascism. They just feel the net of Government control tightening on them.


Agreed on that, too. The TP folks are extremely math and look-ahead challenged.



- On the other hand, you have the Occupy protests. People who have are reacting to the economic decline by blaming the bankers and corporate execs. They don't realize that the problem isn't that the fat-cats are greedy... They've always been that way. It's that the flow of Cornucopian riches has diminished to the point that the fat-cats can actually almost ALL of it up, whereas there used to be plenty left after they'd had their fill. All the Occupy hipsters know is that the easy college money, prospects for easy jobs with lots of benefits, and all the other goodies that they grew-up taking for granted are evaporating, and somebody has to be to blame.



The numbers do not really match that.

Last 30 years has sucked more and more to top at almost amazing rates.

You have not seen the numbers?

- When I first heard the report about that hair salon mass shooting (before any detail beyond a guestimated body count were being reported), I kind of assumed the Tea Party and Occupy folks had finally crossed paths. Even if it doesn't come to anything like that, while they're Internet flaming and conter-protesting one-another, the inevitable contraction is going to happen all the same. Thermodynamics and geology just don't give a fuck about politics.

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My early guess it is a Divide and Rule thing coming on US.

Like the US MIC in Iraq -- sponsors and arms BOTH the Shitites and Sunnis, and then selectively bombs a Mosque or three to get them fighting. That readily IDs the folks that will fight -- and gets them to kill each other off, while leaving the US Corporate operation alone.

If they can get the TP and Occupy folks to take each other out, the sheep in the middle look Corporate Manageable.
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