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The Super-Rich Seceded From the United States?


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Post Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:34 am

The Super-Rich Seceded From the United States?

Somethings never get told in the main stream media! Looks like the next president will be a corporation lackey,the same as it ever was!

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As is well known by now, Schwarzman benefits from the "Buffett Rule:" financial sharks typically take their compensation in the form of capital gains rather than salaries, thus knocking down their income tax rate from 35 percent to 15 percent. But that's not the only way Mr. Skin-in-the-Game benefits: the 6.2-percent Social Security tax and the 1.45-percent Medicare tax apply only to wages and salaries, not capital gains distributions. Accordingly, Schwarzman is stiffing the system in two ways: not only is his income tax rate less than half the top marginal rate, he is shorting the Social Security system that others of his billionaire colleagues like Pete Peterson say is unsustainable and needs to be cut.

We who work pay federal payroll taxes. These taxes are regressive, and the dirty little secret is that over the last several decades they have made up a greater and greater share of federal revenues. In 1950, payroll and other federal retirement contributions constituted 10.9 percent of all federal revenues; by 2007, the last "normal" economic year before federal revenues began falling, they made up 33.9 percent. By contrast, corporate income taxes were 26.4 percent of federal revenues in 1950; by 2007 they had fallen to 14.4 percent. Who has skin in the game now?
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Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:29 pm

Re: The Super-Rich Seceded From the United States?

To be fair, I don't fault anyone for shorting the Social Security system since pretty much no one who's below the age of 55 will ever see anything from it, especially the mega-wealthy who don't need it; and the same applies to the very wealthy not paying for Medicare they won't ever need.
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Post Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:02 am

Re: The Super-Rich Seceded From the United States?

Hello,why is that? It's pretty well known we all die eventually and there are taxes so what you will see is less of everything form our illustrious Leaders after all money is only a tool in the game of monopoly, so less of every thing means dieofftime@illumantia.com in the end. The more things change the more it stays the same. The four horsemen are coming?

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hutoftung wrote:To be fair, I don't fault anyone for shorting the Social Security system since pretty much no one who's below the age of 55 will ever see anything from it, especially the mega-wealthy who don't need it; and the same applies to the very wealthy not paying for Medicare they won't ever need.
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Post Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:20 am

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I don't understand what you're asking, Little Joe.
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Post Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:08 pm

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What I meant to say was not that the mega-rich are morally right for not paying into these systems. While I think it might be a bit of a stretch to say that they should be expected to carry these systems, it's not to be applauded that they don't.

But since I don't hold that it's the responsibility of the rich to hold up society, I can't fault them for not paying for something they don't use. I don't pay for a subscription to Boring Stuff Weekly, because I don't use that publication for anything. Neither do I pay for motorcycle insurance, because I don't have a motorcycle. I don't think people should be forced to pay for things they don't use.

Which is why I also wish I could stop paying toward social security.

Of course, if the rich offered to spend all their money setting things right, and I thought it'd work, I wouldn't necessarily object.
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Post Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:14 pm

Re: The Super-Rich Seceded From the United States?

hutoftung wrote:...
Which is why I also wish I could stop paying toward social security.

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Is social security in the USA the same as Employment Insurance? I don't think it is.

In Canada when a person works they are obligated to pay Employment Insurance, most of the time. I would love to be able to opt out of that. I think it is called Unemployment Insurance in the USA. Is paying into that mandatory in the USA? People should be able to opt in or opt out, in my opinion.
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Post Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:03 am

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No, Allissun, unemployment/employment insurance is different. Social Security is supposed to be something of a retirement fund, but with the way inflation has been running since it started, it hasn't been worth much even when it pays out. While a person who's permanently disabled might maybe be able to start collecting Social Security, it's not for "temporary" unemployment like if you simply lose your job. That type of unemployment insurance is separate, but as I understand it most employees do have to pay into the system. The difference being that so far they've actually been able to collect it for the most part. Those who are self-employed don't have to pay in--and as far as I know can't pay in or collect the benefits (but do have to pay Social Security).
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Post Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:21 am

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Don't worry the governments are going to pay every dollar owed to social pensions but with a catch,it will be worth much less in purchase power with hyperinflation and if the people wish to storm the Bastille, the governments will be ready for it! The governments will say you got every dollar coming to you! The IMF with SDR's bonds will protect the international corporations and super-rich from this hyper-inflation with an basket of commodities (gold & oil) and strong international currencies for trade. It all a big shell game and the little guy,gal is not invited! The Total awareness programs will apprehend every malcontent terrorist and incarcerate them into FEMA style camps if they are lucky! Most will be never be seen again.

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Post Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:37 am

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But that's the thing Joe: even at the current ultra-inflated prices they can't pay the money they owe people right now. So unless they hurry up with the hyperinflation and keep it going for a great many years at that rate (remember that if you're earning 10 million dollars a year instead of 10,000 you'll be paying 1000 times as much into the Social Security system and expecting 1000 times the payout, unless they simply don't change the rules in which case they'll just take most of the income back as taxes), they won't be able to pay it off.
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Post Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:51 am

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Bingo! They make the rules as they go and they also will seize half of all 401k's,IRA's etc... to swell the money supply to stem the tide and control the fall and make it look like all good citizens are pitching in to help The red,white&blue while the super rich will be seen paying big money but will have good hard currency from international trade. It's all a dog and pony show for the sheep to lap up! :evil:

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hutoftung wrote:But that's the thing Joe: even at the current ultra-inflated prices they can't pay the money they owe people right now. So unless they hurry up with the hyperinflation and keep it going for a great many years at that rate (remember that if you're earning 10 million dollars a year instead of 10,000 you'll be paying 1000 times as much into the Social Security system and expecting 1000 times the payout, unless they simply don't change the rules in which case they'll just take most of the income back as taxes), they won't be able to pay it off.
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