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Post Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:49 pm

The slow death of the Nuclear Industry

Japan - 40 Gigawatts
Germany - 8 Gigawatts (temporary) 3 Months


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Chu stands by nuclear power despite Japan’s ongoing woes
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/1/chu-stands-nuclear-power-despite-japans-woes/#
Nuclear waste conundrum top concern for senators
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/30/us-usa-nuclear-fuel-idUSTRE72T5U420110330
So far, the U.S. has generated roughly 70,000 metric tons of nuclear waste.The GAO has projected that number will more than double to 153,000 metric tons by 2055
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703362904576218980605067662.html
Japan Nuclear Crisis Revives Long U.S. Fight on Spent Fuel
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/24/us/24yucca.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

German energy giant RWE filed Friday a legal challenge to the government's order to shut down temporarily the country's seven oldest nuclear reactors in light of the Fukushima crisis in Japan
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iZnYXz--kONmD5M8zCxC_MaFoKOg?docId=CNG.c9ea3dc90a60a398595ef89bbbc420b3.1c1
Why Are Germans So Sensitive Over Nuclear Energy?
http://blogs.wsj.com/source/2011/03/31/why-are-germans-so-sensitive-over-nuclear-energy/?mod=google_news_blog
How Quickly Can Germany Abandon Nuclear Energy?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,752285-3,00.html

China to Cut Nuclear Goal After Japan Reactor Crisis
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-01/china-to-cut-nuclear-goal-after-japan-reactor-crisis-correct-.html
No official agreement on storing nuclear waste in China: Premier Wu Den-yih on Wednesday denied a report in a local tabloid magazine that Taiwan was negotiating with China to store nuclear waste there.
http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aALL&ID=201103300021

Israel 'rethinking' nuclear power plant in Negev. PM says after Japan crisis, Israel probably won't pursue civil nuclear energy in coming years.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=8216turkey-needs-to-rethink-nuclear-plant8217-says-chp-chief-2011-03-20

Armenia Willing To Share Nuclear Experience With Turkey, Officials Say Armenia has no intention of politicizing the country’s drive for nuclear power and is willing to aid Turkey in its quest for atomic energy
http://www.historyoftruth.com/news/latest/9060-armenia-willing-to-share-nuclear-experience-with-turkey-officials-say
Turkey's first-ever nuclear power plant is about to be built in the Southeastern town of Akkuyu, facing fresh questions. Sited on a fault line, government first licensed the site 1976.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/25/idUS122778134920110325

British nuclear industry needs overhaul before it can expand, says top scientist Sir David King says industry is geared towards decommissioning and must be restructured if coalition's plans are to go ahead.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/mar/29/nuclear-industry-uk-expansion-king
Hamish McRae: The Fukushima effect, globally, will be colossal
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 6540.html#
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:38 am

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http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/201 ... 6000c.html
Chubu Electric Power Co. has postponed its original plan for early April to resume operations at the No. 3 reactor at its Hamaoka nuclear plant in Omaezaki, Shizuoka Prefecture, where a major earthquake has been feared to hit.

The power company has also decided to wait until fiscal 2016 to build its sixth reactor at the plant from 2015, and until after 2013 to use plutonium-uranium mixed oxide, or MOX, fuel at the No. 4 reactor.
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:40 am

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http://www.lohud.com/article/20110403/N ... nav%7Chead
"The longer the plant in Japan keeps spewing radiation, the worse it is for the nuclear industry," said Phillip Musegaas, a policy analyst for the environmental group Riverkeeper. "If I were on the other side, I would say we have to work very hard to get this off the news cycle and get back to business as usual."
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:32 pm

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Here's an article which directly addresses this question.

http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-04-01/fukushima-and-future-nuclear-power
Sharon Astyk, 4/1/11. I think she makes excellent points here.

While I suspect that public opposition to nuclear power will falter in either the fac of any kind of electrical crisis (likely simply because of decades of put-off infrastructure work on the grid) or any kind of oil crisis (in which there will be enormous calls for electrification of nearly everything, regardless of whether it makes sense or not), that doesn't mean I think nuclear power is the wave of the future.
There are two related problems with nuclear power that make it unlikely that nuclear will emerge as a major solution, particularly given the delays in public acceptance that Fukushima is likely to create. The first is the EROEI of nuclear - in an time of abundant cheap energy for many sources, low EROEI sources are fine - because there are so many high net energy sources to draw on.
There is a lot of debate over the EROEI of nuclear, but unless you calculate it in purely thermal terms, the returns come in on the lower side - 3-6. This is not enough excess energy to run a society on. Remember, oil at first production had a net energy return of 100-1 and it is still nearly 20-1. Replacing low energy density sources with high energy density sources makes a real structural change in the kind of society you can expect. Even the high estimates of EROEI, if true, will have to be readjusted downwards to take into account the need to make nuclear power plants safe in more "worst case scenarios" like the Tsunami. Moreover, many of the high estimates of EROEI don't include the costs of transmission or the full costs of decommissioning.
Even EROEI is not the central obstacle, however - it is the upfront costs of nuclear, financial and energy that will be nearly impossible for an energy system in overall decline to bear. Again, those costs jumped dramatically the day that the Fukushima disaster began - while memories are short, building plants to withstand rare and outer parameter events will be part of the cost. None of us can say that it is worth playing the odds on a 1000 year event now - and climate change increasingly makes 1000 year weather events likely. In some measure, the one thing that the Fukushima disaster is likely to do is simply ensure that we do have to take some kinds of failure into account, as I've argued.
More than any other kind of energy generation, nuclear frontloads its energy costs dramatically - reliable estimates vary from as low as 12 years before they produce more energy than went into building them to as high as 20. The upfront plant building costs are also vastly higher than for coal, natural gas or any other source.
At this stage (and this is the most critical point) just about EVERY SINGLE BIT of the upfront cost of nuclear power comes from fossil fuels. The energy that runs the economy to make the money to build them comes from fossil fuels. Uranium mining isn't done on solar electric. The transport of fuel and worker, the concrete and heavy materials, the containment systems - everything is built with a huge front load of fossil fuels and fossil fueled money.
So while nuclear power does return net energy and while it may be true that public opposition to nuclear power will fall, it probably won't matter - because no society in an energy decline, with declining fossil fuel resources, can afford to front-load a decade or two decades of energy in fossil fuels into a plant....
This scenario for nuclear power is only a microcosm of the overall scenario for any proposed renewable energy build out - most renewables have much lower upfront energy and monetary costs, but they also often have issues of both intermittency and low energy density themselves - when you have to build enormous solar and wind projects, you run into problems of resource allocation too.

[Unfortunately, she limits her discussion to costs, so she fails to address the fact that the limited power output of renewables cannot make up for fossils and nuclear, also doesn't touch the fact that they only involve electricity generation, do not apply to most of the oil consumption, and doesn't deal with the shortage of essential raw materials necessary for the alternatives.]
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:37 pm

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Without the subsidy that weapons making brings to uranium mining, the EROEI of nuclear electricity is negative. I have no idea where she gets 3-6, no study I've ever seen is even close to that, and don't forget that the decommissioning costs are open ended.
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:45 pm

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rbrgs wrote:Without the subsidy that weapons making brings to uranium mining, the EROEI of nuclear electricity is negative. I have no idea where she gets 3-6, no study I've ever seen is even close to that, and don't forget that the decommissioning costs are open ended.


I got the sense from "purely thermal considerations" that she's aware of the subsidies, and wasn't taking account of them to make the case as positive as possible for the nuke case, to show how even then the technology is a loser.
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Post Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:09 pm

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http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/201 ... 3000c.html

With TEPCO's announcement that the No. 1 through 4 reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 plant will be decommissioned, the question that has emerged is whether the No. 5 and No. 6 reactors at the plant and the reactors at the nearby No. 2 plant should resume operations. Sato isn't sure what the right answer is.

"I still haven't made up my mind about whether the No. 2 plant should be running again. A nuclear power plant requires an investment of 1 trillion yen per site, and what we decide to do with the No. 2 plant cuts to the very heart of our energy policy."


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Post Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:28 pm

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Amid nuclear crisis, Japan’s Tepco planned new reactors
"When Tepco first notified Fukushima’s energy department of its new reactor plans late on March 26, Nozaki immediately told Fukushima’s governor, Yuhei Sato, who reacted with fury. “What is going on?” he fumed. Tepco then sent a team from Tokyo to discuss the matter but was told by prefectural officials “to sort out problems on the ground first and stop thinking about new reactors,” Nozaki said.

The company pressed on, submitting a final report to authorities in Tokyo that it now describes as a mistake. “Tokyo Electric may want to ignore the feelings of Fukushima residents, but this is definitely not acceptable,” Nozaki said.
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Post Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:41 pm

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http://m.guardian.co.uk/environment/201 ... pe=article
UK nuclear plans on hold after Fukushima
A programme of nuclear power stations will be delayed by at least three months awaiting report on Japan disaster.

"It's too early to say exactly what impact this will have on the overall timeline. We're continuing with our facilitative actions to encourage investment to come forward as soon as possible," he said.
But this was in marked contrast to a statement by the climate change minister, Greg Barker. He was quoted by Bloomberg as saying that Fukushima would cause no "material delay" to Britain's nuclear power programme.
The French company that wants to build its EPR design of power station, EDF Energy, has been previously quoted as saying that any delays due to Fukushima would be "minimal". The US firm, Westinghouse, is bidding to build differently designed AP1000 reactors.
Last October the UK government gave the initial go-ahead for new nuclear stations at eight sites around the coast of England and Wales. Last week, the Guardian revealed that ministers were being taken to court over allegations that cancer risks had not been properly evaluated.
The Nuclear Industry Association, which represents UK nuclear companies, said that the regulators' announcement was "correct". A spokesman said: "We should take time to review and learn the lessons of the Japanese crisis, while at the same time recognising that new nuclear development is essential for the UK."
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Post Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:55 pm

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Utilities: Germany now imports energy after taking nuclear power plants off the grid

BERLIN — Chancellor Angela Merkel’s decision to take some atomic power plants offline in the wake of Japan’s Fukushima disaster means Germany is now importing power from its nuclear-reliant neighbors, an umbrella organization of the country’s utility companies said Monday.

Germany now imports about 50 gigawatt hours — or the capacity equivalent of about 1 1/2 reactors — from France and the Czech Republic a day, the German Association of Energy and Water Industries said.

Electricity imports from France — which relies on nuclear energy for almost 80 percent of its power supply — doubled from the first to the second half of March, the group said. Exports to the Netherlands and Switzerland, in turn, almost entirely ceased.

Merkel’s government announced the shut down of nuclear power plants built before 1980 — seven of the country’s 17 reactors — only four days after Japan’s March 11 earthquake and tsunami hit the Fukushima Dai-Chi nuclear facility.

Germany is normally a net exporter of energy, but nine of the country’s 17 reactors were offline at the end of March due to the closures and maintenance.

Nuclear power has been very unpopular in Germany ever since radioactivity from the 1986 Chernobyl disaster drifted across the country. Germany has decided to phase out the technology over the next 25 years, gradually supplanting atomic energy with other sources.

Merkel has emphasized that shuttering Germany’s reactors must be timed so that the country doesn’t simply end up importing nuclear power from its neighbors, where safety standards might not be better. She has also said moving away from nuclear energy must not lead to an increase of Germany’s carbon emissions.
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