nuclear? family in Collapse

Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:00 pm by allissun

I don't know much about politics, and the different parties in the USA, but I am becoming a little more interested in what are the ideas (ideologies?... but are they the same thing? I think not... well, I am not sure, really) behind the different political parties and how they relate either directly or indirectly to the idea of organization embedded in nuclear families... and even in extended families right now, in North
America, in general, and then the world.

So, nuclear family in its relationship to itself and to the rest of its environment, how is it structured and how does it relate? What is the best model for a nuclear family going into Collapse?

I suppose one would have to take into account each member in the family and what are their particular systems of belief. Any thoughts here anyone? This is a HUGE open-ended topic, and I am curious about any feedback or thoughts or questions anyone might have with regard to the Couple or Family in Collapse.

Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:24 pm by EWHM

Allissun,
In a collapse, either slow or fast, you really need something beyond a nuclear family to have your back in order to have a reasonable chance to make it through. Preferably a significantly extended family, coupled with a fair number of other extended families in close alliance with yours. Basically you need something around the size of a small tribe or clan. Otherwise you're going to have severe problems with defense, skill coverage, and redundancy for dealing with just plain ordinary hardship.

Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:28 pm by allissun

EWHM wrote:Allissun,
In a collapse, either slow or fast, you really need something beyond a nuclear family to have your back in order to have a reasonable chance to make it through. Preferably a significantly extended family, coupled with a fair number of other extended families in close alliance with yours. Basically you need something around the size of a small tribe or clan. Otherwise you're going to have severe problems with defense, skill coverage, and redundancy for dealing with just plain ordinary hardship.

Absolutely true, EWHM. I totally agree with you. Thank you for your input here.

So what happens if your nuclear family as well as your extended family is and are still in denial? I am not necessarily speaking for myself, but I am exploring here, for anyone interested, because I know for certain that some of us are in that situation. What if you want to leave a city or suburb, and the family thinks you're crazy and obsessed about doom or Collapse? Do you take the kids and just leave?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:44 pm by Earth_Girl

allissun wrote:
EWHM wrote:Allissun,
In a collapse, either slow or fast, you really need something beyond a nuclear family to have your back in order to have a reasonable chance to make it through. Preferably a significantly extended family, coupled with a fair number of other extended families in close alliance with yours. Basically you need something around the size of a small tribe or clan. Otherwise you're going to have severe problems with defense, skill coverage, and redundancy for dealing with just plain ordinary hardship.

Absolutely true, EWHM. I totally agree with you. Thank you for your input here.

So what happens if your nuclear family as well as your extended family is and are still in denial? I am not necessarily speaking for myself, but I am exploring here, for anyone interested, because I know for certain that some of us are in that situation. What if you want to leave a city or suburb, and the family thinks you're crazy and obsessed about doom or Collapse? Do you take the kids and just leave?

I can't speak for those with children, but I have to echo EWHM's sentiment: In certain situations, it will come down to relying on others who may not be part of your "nuclear" family, or even related to you at all. In some instances (mine as an example), the person will have to leave behind most of their blood relatives, who are hopelessly lost in BAU and days past, and find a new family. Their survival will depend on severing ties with those who will not make it during collapse, who could be considered liabilities, and make close relationships with friends and neighbors who are "awake" and know what's really going on. I have a few friends, and at least two cousins who could be considered the basis for my "tribe" or "clan."

Now don't get me wrong, I love my family, but they are zombies. :lol:

Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:48 pm by EWHM

allissun wrote:
EWHM wrote:Allissun,
In a collapse, either slow or fast, you really need something beyond a nuclear family to have your back in order to have a reasonable chance to make it through. Preferably a significantly extended family, coupled with a fair number of other extended families in close alliance with yours. Basically you need something around the size of a small tribe or clan. Otherwise you're going to have severe problems with defense, skill coverage, and redundancy for dealing with just plain ordinary hardship.

Absolutely true, EWHM. I totally agree with you. Thank you for your input here.

So what happens if your nuclear family as well as your extended family is and are still in denial? I am not necessarily speaking for myself, but I am exploring here, for anyone interested, because I know for certain that some of us are in that situation. What if you want to leave a city or suburb, and the family thinks you're crazy and obsessed about doom or Collapse? Do you take the kids and just leave?

When things start to fall apart, they'll likely come around at roughly the speed of everyone else's extended family. Here's the thing, even if they're oblivious, they're still your extended family or nuclear family. Sad as it may seem, they're still considerably more trustworthy (by you) than most others in a collapse situation. Another aspect is this: when things have largely fallen apart, people look for indicators that they can or can not trust you. One really popular heuristic that people use is this:
How well this person does by their own blood/spouse/kids/clan is a reasonable upper bound on how well they'll treat you.

It's true that this particular rule of thumb is only 80% or 90% accurate, but better information is expensive and in such circumstances, people are, well, poor. So unless they're significantly more dysfunctional than the mean (which is to say, average US person eating a standard American diet who is averagely oblivious if you're from the US), you're best off including them in whatever plans you make. Sometimes a poor option is still your best one.

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