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Post Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:10 am

Re: Marines Piss on Afghan Dead

Gnomore wrote:Bad yes, but somehow pales to killing them in the first place. Some sort of messed up society that gets upset at the mistreatment of them when they are dead, but not when they were alive.


It is precisely BECAUSE they are pissd on that they are dead.

We don't see them as humans (like us) so we kill them.

It is a whole helluvalot easier to kill someone when we see them as subhuman.

"nobel savage" anyone?
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Post Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:51 am

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Two Marines in urination video interviewed
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 6:53 AM EST, Fri January 13, 2012

Washington (CNN) -- Military officials have interviewed two of four Marines in a video which shows them urinating on dead bodies sprawled out on the ground, a Marine Corps official told CNN Friday.

The Marines were not detained after the interview, the official said.

The names are not being made public, said the official, who did not want to be identified because the investigation is ongoing.

The identities were determined as officials in the United States and Afghanistan expressed shock and outrage regarding the video, which was posted Wednesday on a number of websites.

Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos said in a statement the behavior is "wholly inconsistent with the high standards of conduct and warrior ethos that we have demonstrated throughout our history."

Lt. Gen. Adrian Bradshaw, deputy commander of ISAF, called the actions on the video "disgusting."

"It is difficult to say what long-term impacts this might have, and I would hesitate to get into speculation, but obviously any sort of footage, any sort of activity of this kind that is grossly against all the moral values that the coalition forces are standing for are very much working against our cause and against everything that we are standing for and that we are here for," said Brig. Gen. Carsten Jacobson, a NATO ISAF spokesman.

The official added that the desecration of a body by U.S. troops could be considered a potential war crime.

President Barack Obama knows about the video, said White House spokesman Jay Carney, who said he didn't know if Obama had viewed it. "What it apparently depicts is deplorable, reprehensible and unacceptable," Carney said, adding the president agrees with Panetta's statement.

"The government of Afghanistan is deeply disturbed by a video that shows American soldiers desecrating dead bodies of three Afghans," according to a statement released by the presidential palace on behalf of Karzai.

"This act by American soldiers is simply inhuman and condemnable in the strongest possible terms."

A Taliban spokesman called the video "barbaric."

And no religion that follows a holy text would accept such conduct. This inhuman act reveals their real face to the world," Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf Ahmadi said via text message Thursday.
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Ok so for all you critics of the act of killing but ok with the desecration of the body, WAR has rules. WE are supposed to be more honorable then THEM. That's the whole point of us invading.

I know what's happening in Afghanistan doesn't actually qualify as "war" under our constitution and the geneva conventions, regardless we are supposed to be better then them.

We have revealed ourselves over and over again to be no better than them. Which will hurt troop moral, support at home, recruiting, and our perceived power on a world stage.

What these Marines did definitly caused troops to lose respect back home and around the world, just like the so called "baby killers" in Vietnam put a dent in the "hero" status of American troops in that "war".
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Post Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:11 am

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roccman wrote:
Gnomore wrote:Bad yes, but somehow pales to killing them in the first place. Some sort of messed up society that gets upset at the mistreatment of them when they are dead, but not when they were alive.


It is precisely BECAUSE they are pissd on that they are dead.

We don't see them as humans (like us) so we kill them.

It is a whole helluvalot easier to kill someone when we see them as subhuman.

"nobel savage" anyone?


yes very likely they view these people as subhuman so they find it easier to kill them ,very likely they dislike them .

Isn't that what wars are about hating people and wanting to kill them, if you liked them or had sort of neutral feelings isn't that worse .

if these guys were taliban weren't they trying to kill these marines isn't that a good enough reason to hate them if your there
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Post Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:24 am

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jonny2mad wrote:if these guys were taliban weren't they trying to kill these marines isn't that a good enough reason to hate them if your there


we have ZERO reason to be there that is justifiable in killing anyone in that country
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Post Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:50 pm

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Well I will agree those marines have no reason to be there in that their not personally getting rich.

Where I live I can look out of my window and see a thousand year old church that was attacked by the vikings, did the vikings have a reason to be here or the romans .

People fight for resources thats what most of history is, traditionally they have done it in tribes or family groups or nations I'm not really sure you can somehow say this piece of ground belongs to this people forever and thou shall not invade it , you have what your strong enough to hold .

I went to a number of protests against the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan so I didn't actually agree with the invasion, but invasions are just what humans do
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Post Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:18 pm

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jonny2mad wrote:Well I will agree those marines have no reason to be there in that their not personally getting rich.

Where I live I can look out of my window and see a thousand year old church that was attacked by the vikings, did the vikings have a reason to be here or the romans .

People fight for resources thats what most of history is, traditionally they have done it in tribes or family groups or nations I'm not really sure you can somehow say this piece of ground belongs to this people forever and thou shall not invade it , you have what your strong enough to hold .

I went to a number of protests against the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan so I didn't actually agree with the invasion, but invasions are just what humans do



ok - hope your cavalier attitude when your shit gets taken and your loved ones get pissed on keeps your fire lit.
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For hope would be hope for the wrong thing; wait without love,
For love would be love of the wrong thing; there is yet faith
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Post Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:25 am

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"Lame" is a better description than "cavalier." ZERO proof that invasion or war is what humans do, that it's in our genes.
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