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Post Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:30 pm

Gail Tverberg: Bloomberg is wrong, not peak oil

http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2012-02-06/commentary-businessweek-gets-it-wrong-everything-you-know-about-peak-oil-not-wron
... Peak Oil is NOT Wrong, Gail Tverberg. The title is a bit in error, it's Bloomberg Businessweek that this is about, not Business Week. It's an editorial by Charles Kenny titled Everything You Know About Peak Oil is Wrong. Tverberg describes the content. She then provides two charts, one for crude oil, the other for gold, both showing production quantity and price over the last 10 years. The editing isn't good, Kenny's comments aren't always well-delineated, i'll try to do so here.

The problem is a two-fold problem: it is a price problem, and a problem of not being able to increase extraction as much as one would like. The issue is one of declining quality of resources, as lower grade ores are found, and more difficult to extract oil is found. There are plenty of resources available; the issue is that we cannot afford the high cost of extracting them.
Kenny says, “Far from being depleted, worldwide reserves of minerals continue to climb.” He then goes on to list a whole host of resources: natural gas liquids of 1.2 trillion barrels, shale oil of 4.8 trillion barrels, and tar sands of 6 trillion barrels.
These are lower and lower quality resources. In order to make sense for these resources to be extracted, it is important that the cost of extraction not be too high. Many of the large oil importing nations went into recession in 2008-2009 when oil prices climbed to $147 barrel, and quite a few economies are struggling now, with prices in the $100 to $110 barrel range. Unless we can get the oil out at a reasonable price, there is no point in even counting them in the base.
There is also an issue of how quickly resources can be extracted. Canada has been attempting to develop the oil sands since 1967, but even after more than 40 years of attempted development, only 2% of the world’s oil supply is from this source.
Kenny also doesn’t seem to understand that Daniel Yergin is far from an unbiased observer. He says,
"And yet according to renowned oil analyst Daniel Yergen [sic], technology advances and new discoveries have allowed oil reserves worldwide to keep growing."
Daniel Yergin is chairman of IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates and Executive Vice President of IHS. The companies he works for do consulting work for oil companies. These oil companies would like you to think that their prospects for the future are as good as possible. In many ways, Daniel Yergin’s role is not too different from that of Jack Gerard, CEO of the American Petroleum Institute. If a person checks back, one finds that many of Yergin’s rosy predictions have proven false.[link]
Kenny has another overstatement:
"New technologies suggest the dawn of U.S. energy independence."
This is flowery language, but doesn’t represent the real situation. A big part of the reason our imports are down in recent years is because US oil consumption is down. People who are laid off from work drive less, and with high oil prices, fewer people take driving vacations or go by airplane. The EIA shows this graph of net imports.
We are still importing 45.2% of “products supplied”. This comparison is on a volume basis, not on an energy basis. If the comparison were on an energy basis, we would be importing over 50% of petroleum products. Biofuels and natural gas liquids, which are lower energy than oil, are treated if they were substituting for oil on a barrel for barrel basis, but they really are not.
We hear a lot about having very low natural gas prices right now, because of higher production of natural gas combined with a warm winter. Unfortunately, having more natural gas doesn’t fix our oil problem. Our oil problem is the fact that price is too high because of inadequate world supply and also because much of the cheap-to-extract oil is already gone. We have had to move on to more expensive-to-extract oil supplies.
Over time, natural gas may make a small dent in our oil problem, if a few vehicles can be converted to natural gas. But the large size of natural gas tanks and lack of refueling stations make them unsuitable for many uses. The amount of natural gas available for substitution also isn’t all that high, relative to the world oil deficit.
Kenny also said:
"Limits to Growth suggested the world would be on the verge of complete economic collapse around about now, with industrial output falling to its level of 1900 by the end of this century, as resources vital to sustaining a modern economy dried up. However dire today’s global financial crisis, we are nowhere near such a doomsday scenario."
I would disagree with Kenny on this. He doesn’t seem to see the close connection between high oil prices and the economic problems we are seeing today. With high oil prices, people cut back on discretionary goods, resulting in layoffs among people who work in those industries. For example, fewer people have jobs in vacation industries (for example, in Greece and Spain) if oil prices are high. This leads to recession and debt defaults. If one country defaults, ripple effects can spread to banks around the world.
Our economy has a high level of debt. We need economic growth in order to repay that debt with interest. If oil supply remains flat, or worse yet, falls, it will be difficult to produce the level of economic growth needed to prevent debt defaults.[Aside from the question as to the desirability of further "growth."]
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Post Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:47 am

Re: Gail Tverberg: Bloomberg is wrong, not peak oil

I remember Gail kicking me off TOD.

Couldn't wrap her head around the Plunge Protection Team, even as I
was detailing same.

Right around the time I was exposing bp for covering up the damage to their
Thunderhorse rig from Katrina.

I stated that with the Market Manipulation, the FEDRes would eventually be trading
with basically one other person.

ZH yesterday:

Volumeless Equity Recovery Ignores Broad Risk Asset Derisking
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Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/06/2012 16:53 -0500

Lowest Non-Holiday Market Volume In Past Decade
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Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/06/2012 16:14 -0500

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NOTE that the BREAK in the VOL TREND comes almost to the day of PO:

MAY 2005. Side note per Sam Bakhtiari that Reserve # are meaningless once
that day has arrived.

And finally the POINT of this missive (Steve Martin-'Have a point, it makes the
story so much more interesting.' :lol: ) note how Gail hasn't gotten the message
that the USSA is using
3.5 MMBD LESS starting 2008 :!:

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Post Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:52 am

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And per Old Norseman,

note how the 3.5 MMBD would match a collapsing BDI?

ralfy wrote:Another from Zero Hedge: "Shipping Rates Go... Negative"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/shipping- ... o-negative

Very important, ralfy, and thanx.

American society and its economic "recovery" have entered an important new phase in recent months, a new Heavenly Age in which our problems have magically disappeared. I call it The Rapture. Let me explain.


No one can top Billhicksisdead blog for gloom.
http://billhicksisdead.blogspot.com/

But even he can't put together that the BLS is blatantly lying now (see latest NFP report).

Note nothing from Norseman on why DC isn't bragging about the USSA using 3.5 MMBD per day LESS now. Why, with another 3.5 MMBD we won't even have to invade Iran..... :roll: :shock: :twisted: :? 8-)

To Gail (again;):

It's much easier to crush demand than it is to increase supply.... :? 8-)
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Post Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:11 pm

Re: Gail Tverberg: Bloomberg is wrong, not peak oil

Lower demand leading to lower oil prices might be met by lower income, which may make the price of oil still high. And stickiness may take place for products dependent on oil, such as food, leading to high food prices and probably even higher oil production costs.
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Post Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:12 am

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ralfy wrote:Lower demand leading to lower oil prices might be met by lower income, which may make the price of oil still high. And stickiness may take place for products dependent on oil, such as food, leading to high food prices and probably even higher oil production costs.


:twisted:

Lower demand SHOULD lead to lower oil prices.

'met by lower income' is a Late Stage Plutocracy 'problem.'... :? 8-)

And yes, the price of oil will continually get more expensive for the Bottom 99
from here on out.

Stickiness describes the Stagflation of the 70's.

The remedy is Reagan's raising interest rates. But this time we have $1.7 Quadrillion
in debt derivatives (thanx Greenspan 1982 Commodites Act).

The first sign that % rates are rising, crushes the economy flat.

Collapse is economizing.
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Post Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:14 am

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U.S. commercial crude oil inventories (excluding those in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve) increased by 4.2 million barrels from the previous week.

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Post Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:16 am

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They're desperate. But causing WWIII kinda spoils their plans.... :twisted:
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Post Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:27 am

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per ZH, EAP5 is political correct language for the PIIGS... :lol:

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Post Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:41 am

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When is DC going to start bragging about this Wonderful news :!:

America is on the road to Energy Independence :!:

Total fuel demand fell 0.5 percent to 17.6 million barrels a day, the lowest level since 1999.
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Post Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:28 pm

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mcgowanjm wrote:
ralfy wrote:Lower demand leading to lower oil prices might be met by lower income, which may make the price of oil still high. And stickiness may take place for products dependent on oil, such as food, leading to high food prices and probably even higher oil production costs.


:twisted:

Lower demand SHOULD lead to lower oil prices.

'met by lower income' is a Late Stage Plutocracy 'problem.'... :? 8-)

And yes, the price of oil will continually get more expensive for the Bottom 99
from here on out.

Stickiness describes the Stagflation of the 70's.

The remedy is Reagan's raising interest rates. But this time we have $1.7 Quadrillion
in debt derivatives (thanx Greenspan 1982 Commodites Act).

The first sign that % rates are rising, crushes the economy flat.

Collapse is economizing.


Lower demand for oil in some countries might be offset by increasing demand for the same in others, as well as replacement with non-conventional sources, some of which contribute to higher food prices:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailycha ... onsumption

Probably because energy demand is still higher than oil production.

Sticky prices are taking place right now, as seen in gas prices at the pump and food prices. Of course, some countries might not feel its effects because income levels are artificially high or because of benefits from government, but probably not for most of the global 99 pct. Also, the same stickiness can increase oil production costs.

Since raising interest rates will not affect more than a quadrillion in unregulated derivatives (made possible thanks to the same Reagan clones that are expected to raise interest rates), then the economy cannot be "crushed flat" with it. Rather, high oil and food prices that affect the global 99 pct will lead to more social unrest.
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