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Post Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:52 pm

Excellent article on AJ on Peak Oil

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 75294.html

Good to see articles like this showing up!

I especially like the giant picture of the HALLIBURTON tanker! :twisted:
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Post Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:36 pm

Re: Excellent article on AJ on Peak Oil

It appears to be more of a list of Post Carbon Institute talking points. I was hoping that an AJ article would at least be able to wrangle more than a few Arabic experts, rather than basing their article on the information (not) available to an advocacy group.

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Post Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:41 pm

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Right, Post Carbon Institute is just pulling all the strings here, we know they're in charge of everything. Funny how you sound ever more like "Steve" with each post.
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Post Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:49 pm

Re: Excellent article on AJ on Peak Oil

Picasso Moon wrote:Right, Post Carbon Institute is just pulling all the strings here, we know they're in charge of everything. Funny how you sound ever more like "Steve" with each post.


I didn't say anything about PCI being "in charge" of anything. I said the article sounded an awful lot like it was a recital of some pretty long standing PCI talking points.
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Post Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:02 pm

Re: Excellent article on AJ on Peak Oil

ObiWan wrote:
Picasso Moon wrote:Right, Post Carbon Institute is just pulling all the strings here, we know they're in charge of everything. Funny how you sound ever more like "Steve" with each post.


I didn't say anything about PCI being "in charge" of anything. I said the article sounded an awful lot like it was a recital of some pretty long standing PCI talking points.



So, ObiWan, please do tell, what, then, is your point in contribution to this discussion? I would expect something more specific. Otherwise, it's all tits and ass. That's fine too, but then, just post in the appropriate forum. Like here... not. :D

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Post Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:15 pm

Re: Excellent article on AJ on Peak Oil

On another note, thank you, Targe, for the excellent article in your Original Post! I will not tolerate any more thread drift here tonight. Call me strict. I don't care.
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Post Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:39 pm

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allissun wrote:So, ObiWan, please do tell, what, then, is your point in contribution to this discussion? I would expect something more specific.
:lol:


Apparently my contribution was correctly noting the origin of the article and lack of any new information contained therein. Would you prefer a comment interlaced with a modicum of critical thinking?

The article talks about reserves quite a bit. Did anyone note where the experience of the two primary sources (Whipple and Hughes) with reserves was mentioned? Have they done them before? Presented the reports to auditors? Defended them in court? Ordered paid, or not paid, the taxes related to the prediction of said reserves? Call me crazy, but it would seem if you want to discuss reserves, how big, how they change, why it matters, that someone should have asked if either of these people knew anything about them, how many times they had done them, the challenges they faced when doing them, how their estimates changed over the years and why, and how that is relevant to knowing anything at all about Saudi Arabian/OPEC reserve numbers in general.

Sure seems to me that if you want to talk about specific and technical subjects, you go find the people who have training, experience and a reputation for doing such things. Otherwise...well....I'm sure a McDonald's worker could take a stab at explaining a particular surgical procedure on the human brain, but it would seem that you might receive more complete, accurate and objective information on the topic if you asked a brain surgeon.
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Post Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:59 pm

Re: Excellent article on AJ on Peak Oil

ObiWan wrote:It appears to be more of a list of Post Carbon Institute talking points. I was hoping that an AJ article would at least be able to wrangle more than a few Arabic experts, rather than basing their article on the information (not) available to an advocacy group.


The reason (as if I even need to provide one) this article perhaps resembles PCI talking points is because peak oil is the same fucking phenomenon NO MATTER WHO DESCRIBES IT! The consequences and effects are the same no matter who is proffering the message. Ten separate people/orgs could write an article on PO and the basic premise will find a thread through all ten versions.

Whether or not peak oil is an immediate concern is not up for debate here. Furthermore, I will not tolerate posts such as yours that would seek to the diminish the message we're attempting to convey here. If you don't like it, you're welcome to leave. Otherwise, watch what you say because I'm watching you. And don't bother to respond to me as it is not likely to bode well for you here.

The bottom line is that I won't tolerate watching you bad-mouth PCI for whom I have the greatest respect. So take it somewhere else.
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Post Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:01 pm

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ObiWan wrote:
allissun wrote:So, ObiWan, please do tell, what, then, is your point in contribution to this discussion? I would expect something more specific.
:lol:


Apparently my contribution was correctly noting the origin of the article and lack of any new information contained therein. Would you prefer a comment interlaced with a modicum of critical thinking?

The article talks about reserves quite a bit. Did anyone note where the experience of the two primary sources (Whipple and Hughes) with reserves was mentioned? Have they done them before? Presented the reports to auditors? Defended them in court? Ordered paid, or not paid, the taxes related to the prediction of said reserves? Call me crazy, but it would seem if you want to discuss reserves, how big, how they change, why it matters, that someone should have asked if either of these people knew anything about them, how many times they had done them, the challenges they faced when doing them, how their estimates changed over the years and why, and how that is relevant to knowing anything at all about Saudi Arabian/OPEC reserve numbers in general.

Sure seems to me that if you want to talk about specific and technical subjects, you go find the people who have training, experience and a reputation for doing such things. Otherwise...well....I'm sure a McDonald's worker could take a stab at explaining a particular surgical procedure on the human brain, but it would seem that you might receive more complete, accurate and objective information on the topic if you asked a brain surgeon.


There are countless experts who acknowledge that oil is a finite resource. Keep it up, ObiWan.
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Post Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:06 pm

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allissun wrote:On another note, thank you, Targe, for the excellent article in your Original Post! I will not tolerate any more thread drift here tonight. Call me strict. I don't care.


Seconded. On both counts.
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