Accepting collapse

Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:40 am by BenjaminTheDonkey

In another thread, Megadoom’s comment was a sudden reminder that a heck of a lot of what we talk about doesn’t matter:

Megadoom wrote:Maybe you can't understand them because you believe "there is a solution."
Megadoom

Submitted for debate: Accepting collapse is the first mental task for PO (and AGW).

Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:37 pm by Swampman

There is not a solution on the global level. There is, however, a solution on a personal level, which is what personal prepping is all about.

While I don't think that the Transition Town movement will be successful because we don't have enough time, there is still time to develop relationships with like minded individuals who will band together once TSHTF.

Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:43 am by BenjaminTheDonkey

We thought our uniqueness would soar
Over other life forevermore;
But we’ll lose that distinction
In the Sixth Great Extinction
Which never has happened before.

Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:16 am by comrade simba

Submitted for debate: Accepting collapse is the first mental task for PO (and AGW).

I think you have the cart before the horse. Accepting Peak Oil was the springboard for most of us here. Without Peak Oil collapse is debatable.

Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:41 am by BenjaminTheDonkey

comrade simba wrote:
Submitted for debate: Accepting collapse is the first mental task for PO (and AGW).

I think you have the cart before the horse. Accepting Peak Oil was the springboard for most of us here. Without Peak Oil collapse is debatable.

Peak oil means collapse for sure,
Which some primitive tribes might endure;
But add on the heat,
And then nothing to eat—
There’s absolutely no cure.

Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:45 am by fourth

"there is still time to develop relationships with like minded individuals who will band together once TSHTF."

Possibly, however, with a ratio of a million people per prepper, it's probably best to keep our heads low and avoid getting raided if others (including other preppers) get desperate. Hoard the food, be seen digging up weeds for dinner, act sick and weak like the rest and wait for the ratio's to improve before your situation (magically) improves. IMHO, anything else and your family is nothing more than a temporary target (as in temporarily alive). To me that means looking like a low value target. Sick, but still dangerous looking, with an edge of desperation.

The old LATOC had a really good thread on hiding food crops and non obvious edibles. That had merit! I wish I could read that again... Someone I think suggested a weedly looking overgrown block with taters, amaranth(for seed) and a bunch of other things like cassava (Ithink). In fact, perhaps we should start a thread like that again.

Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:52 am by ellen54

Acceptance is a non-linear process, not a single event. We all know from an early age that someday we will die but as long as we're young and strong and healthy we don't really "believe" it will happen. Then maybe something happens to put a shock to that belief in immortality. Maybe a friend or relative near our own age dies. Maybe we develop a serious illness. At this point we move a little closer to acceptance of our own death. But a year after we survive our brush with death, we again may have ceased to think of our mortality. Until more people die around us. Or the illness we get this time isn't just serious, but possibly fatal, like a heart attack. And then maybe one day we get the diagnosis. We have terminal cancer. Or irreversible heart failure. Only then, when there is no chance of denying or rationalizing or minimizing the truth, can we and do we begin to truly "accept" our own deaths.

It's the same with doom.

Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:26 am by jmhpolar

ellen54 wrote:Acceptance is a non-linear process, not a single event. We all know from an early age that someday we will die but as long as we're young and strong and healthy we don't really "believe" it will happen. Then maybe something happens to put a shock to that belief in immortality. Maybe a friend or relative near our own age dies. Maybe we develop a serious illness. At this point we move a little closer to acceptance of our own death. But a year after we survive our brush with death, we again may have ceased to think of our mortality. Until more people die around us. Or the illness we get this time isn't just serious, but possibly fatal, like a heart attack. And then maybe one day we get the diagnosis. We have terminal cancer. Or irreversible heart failure. Only then, when there is no chance of denying or rationalizing or minimizing the truth, can we and do we begin to truly "accept" our own deaths.

It's the same with doom.

100% on the money - this is also why it's so difficult to keep one foot in each reality, when these realities don't jibe. You tend to juggle paradigms as your situation requires. I imagine it's not unlike "mild' schizophrenia...

Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:34 pm by PseudoPhil

Perhaps to prepare for the coming collapse,
We need to collectively wake from our naps
The world that we know is what we've been dreaming,
Now it is time for a right nasty reaming
Being aware of the likeliest traps,
Prepare all ye well or be nothing but saps

Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:05 pm by rbrgs

In most climates, it takes an acre of conventional crops to feed a person. You'll need more like 10 acres per person if you want to do the decrepit/abandoned look, and it will take much more time, too. I really wish folks would actually TRY various agricultural techniques before recommending them to others.

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